Waggle Weight Wisdom™ Answers

On one of the current internet golf forums, a member having the name of wobgan asks an interesting question that is quite relevant for golf these days, about whether launch monitors are good for the game. None of the replies to the inquiry really addressed or even seemed to understand the far more important issue(s) going on with the clubfitting trade in particular these days, so I will discuss just a bit of what the true problem(s) is aimed toward wobgan’s inquiry.

At some point your inquiry might have some relevancy to it, but the commercial clubfitting trade as a whole is still so much in its infancy that it is a very premature question to say the least.

Many of the current clubfitting theories and practices typically applied to golfers and that underlie any use of launch monitors, from golf club balancing protocols, to grip size fitting, to the crucial order in which club specifications are fit, and far more, are universally

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Scottie68 asks a question that can be at least partly replied to as follows. Plainly stated, you will not find a “best” thread regarding a topic that relates swingweight, total weight, and even grip weight to each other because there simply is none, particularly within the realm of the Worrisome Reasonless Xenogolf and other similar website forums. (No one with half a brain would ever contribute any original and protectable content to such sites due to the terms of posting they publish, and they are mostly populated with “experts” who commonly have very limited, incorrect, and/or incomplete knowledge, largely just repeating what they have heard from other clueless people. You mostly get what you pay for on such sites, and it is reader beware to be sure).

With that said, you will not find a best thread largely, though not entirely, because even after being around for nearing 100 years now, the golf club specification of swingweight generally remains extremely poorly comprehended by virtually the entire golf industry. In fact, the clubfitting trade, which “theoretically” should understand such a golf club specification the best, actually seems to understand it the worst, which is conspicuously demonstrated every minute of every day on

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On the Worrisome Reasonless Xenogolf forum website, a poster with the member name of Noodler pretty much epitomizes how utterly bad forum sites like that can be and why the clubfitting industry remains the embarrassing laughingstock that it is (and rightly so). After initially making a loser type of comment that he would have clicked on a dislike button if there was one available in response to an earlier poster’s legitimate comments regarding golf club swingweighting, Noodler then proceeds to display his incredible ignorance and total lack of knowledge regarding the very same subject with the quote, “Adding weight to the grip end of the club does not reduce the MOI of the club. Adding weight to the grip fools the swingweight scale, but it won’t fool your brain; the swing heft of the club will not be reduced for the golfer (it will actually go up a bit).”

Such totally uninformed and/or inexperienced comments are generally made by golfers (and/or so-called professional clubfitters) whose golfing motions have never

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Without explicitly mentioning the name of the particular online forum here largely because of the post’s more generalized nature of being presented as a poll, a recent post has attempted to take a poll and solicited votes generally regarding how golfers rate the clubfitting experiences they have personally been through and/or how important they feel clubfitting is to themselves and/or potentially to the game of golf. Because some of the responses were sufficiently entertaining in nature, yet so very sad at the same time, I was prompted to take the time to write and present the following. The poll and associated responses have seemed somewhat appropriate for this Halloween.

Many posting in the noted poll readily acknowledge directly or indirectly that the clubfitting industry as a whole is basically in a shambles at this point in time (and rightly so), with few (if any) truly knowledgeable clubfitters around the globe that have appropriate clubfitting skills to even turn to if one is not sufficiently skilled to fit oneself. And then, in essentially the same sentence, several posters have commented that under these current circumstances one of the few people they would trust to do a clubfitting for them would be

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A poster on the Worrisome Reasonless Xenogolf forum website with the member name of drumdude96 wants to know why graphite shaft manufacturers seem to be making shafts with larger and larger butt diameters these days, and that anything much over a butt diameter of .600 (inches) feels too big to the member. Three other forum members initially responded, all with pretty clueless answers. And their specific names are really not worth mentioning here. But what is worth mentioning is that combined, more than 38,000 posts have been made to date by these three respondents on the noted golf forum, and I cannot help but wonder how many people might have abandoned the game due to some of the responses given by these three individuals since they started posting. Solidly supporting my comments that many if not most so-called clubfitting experts associated with the noted golf forum website and other golf information outlets have no idea what they are talking about regarding many very basic clubfitting (and swinging) topics, I will provide a legitimate and useful reply here.

As clubs get lighter and lighter in general (largely influenced by lighter and lighter golf shafts), you will generally need

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Another golfer, with a member name of A.Princey, has asked for advice about his woods potentially being too light because he has been struggling with them compared with his heavier irons. And as is frequently the case, he has received horrible answers from so-called experts on the Worrisome Reasonless Xenogolf forum website, a site that continues to contribute to the declining participation and reputation of the game of golf with many of its wholly incompetent answers as presented by supposed golf experts. In this case, responses broadly recommended making sure that shafts are ascending in weight when going through a set of golf clubs, a ridiculous concept (yet another one by the clubfitting trade). But I will help out A.Princey just a bit here.

First, for those for whom swingweighting works, the only relevant club value is the

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A poster on the Worrisome Reasonless Xenogolf website forum having a member name of Saint John states that he buys into the “grip end only fools the scale” school regarding the golf club specification of swingweight or swing weight, yet when he actually tried to put that theory into practice it did not work. There is no big surprise here, where yet another golfer is unfortunately gullible enough to apparently believe that most people posing as so-called clubfitting experts or educators on that and other similar forum sites are actually qualified enough to do so (which they are not). But here is a little more accurate information for Saint John.

Yes, you are missing something. People stating that grip weight changes only fool the swingweight scale have

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A golfer with the member name of golfman009 has basically posted on the Worrisome Reasonless Xenogolf forum website that the shaft butt diameters on his irons are smaller than on his woods. And one of his queries is that he would like to know how many extra wraps of tape need to be applied (to the irons) in order to get all of his grip sizes across his set to be and “feel” the same. This is a somewhat common question especially among less experienced golfers, who in turn routinely get (equally inexperienced) inaccurate and/or incomplete responses from so-called professionals on this particular golf forum and other similar outlets. So I will offer him a bit of sound advice here.

The goal regarding golf grip size is not and should not be whether all of the clubs in your set look and/or feel the same. One ultimate goal is whether you are able to

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I recently made an exception and went against my own recommendation of posting on golf forums that contain certain kinds of rules or terms imposed upon its members and posters, as I elaborated upon in Linking Today’s Golf Forums to the Game’s Ugly Deterioration: Part One. I posted a response on the Worrisome Reasonless Xenogolf site in reaction to a few specific statements made by an individual whose member name is Stuart G. (who has posted more than 15,000 times to date on that forum) that made me almost literally cry in sadness for all golfers in general.

It was certainly not an easy post to write, on one hand expressing what someone sure needed to say regarding the current state of the golf club fitting trade in particular. Yet I also needed to be extremely careful to not post any relevant new and/or unique information that could be utilized forever, in any manner so pleased including but hardly limited to altering my post, with absolutely zero permission from and/or compensation to me by the grubby hands of the forum site’s owners, management, employees, and/or associates. The term grubby is quite appropriately derived from

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